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- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 13:10:12 -0400 (EDT)
- Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 03:10 EST
- Subject: Gem List (fwd)
- Subject: Gem List
- Subject: Re: Online Help
- Subject: Re: Buttons Buttons Buttons
- Subject: Re: [VOTING] Select All (2nd round)
- Subject: Re: Online Help
- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 13:10:12 -0400 (EDT)
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- >From 0006795560@mcimail.com Sat Jul 16 04:12:21 1994
- Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 03:10 EST
- From: "Daniel J. Hollis" <0006795560@mcimail.com>
- To: ems <gem-list-approval@world.std.com>
- Subject: Gem List
- Message-Id: <85940716081058/0006795560PK1EM@mcimail.com>
-
- Subject: Re: Online Help
-
- On Tue, 12 Jul 1994, Michel Forget wrote:
-
- Rick:
- -----
- >If you are going to have any discussion about online help systems, please
- >do not forget the online help system we introduced into Geneva. Which is
- >a) available outside of Geneva and b) based on the Pure C online help
- >system making implementation very easy.
-
- I think the point here is to support a FREELY DISTRIBUTABLE help system
- as a 'standard'. Pure C is not free, and neither is Geneva. Even though
- their help systems may be 'freely distributable', they are not PD (AFAIK).
-
- I would feel better by supporting a PD help system with no restrictions
- on distribution or commercial ownership.
-
- --Dan Hollis
- --------
- Subject: Re: Buttons Buttons Buttons
-
- > ]I have my WINCOLOURS set up so that the top window is very little different
- > ]to untopped windows (just the title text changes colour). This infatuation
- > ]GEM has with topping windows is something we should be getting away from,
- > ]not setting in stone standards.
- > This 'infatuation' is part of the GEM philosophy and it works well. As I
- > said before, we are not here to rewrite the OS. Making extentions is
- > fine, but requiring them is counterproductive. If we didn't top windows,
- > it wouldn't be GEM.
-
- Works well? Perhaps for morons :-)
-
- Most of the 'standard' application behaviour is modeled after what the
- desktop does. Anyone who has taken a look at either the internals of
- the desktop, or the way it handles alot of things knows very damned well
- that the desktop does a lot of *nasty* things.
-
- Here is an example: Whenever the desktop pulls up a dialog, it is not
- calling form_do via a Trap call (like it should). It jumps directly
- into the form_do routine in the ROMs! This is why trapping the desktop
- dialogs is not possible. :-(
-
- Here's another example: The desktop allocates all of RAM as a temporary
- copy buffer, even if the file to be copied is 0 bytes!
-
- Just because the desktop does something doesn't mean everyone should
- follow it.
-
- --Dan Hollis
- --------
- Subject: Re: [VOTING] Select All (2nd round)
-
- >I may have missed the discussion but this vote seems pretty meaningless
- >[...]
- >strong as I am not really AGAINST the current use of Control A to mean
- >select all.
-
- If we were hashing out specs for a keyboard equivalent config file, this
- would not even be an issue at all.
-
- --Dan Hollis
- ----------
- Subject: Re: Online Help
-
- Michael:
- --------
- > Is it a HyperText system, though? The main advantage of ST-Guide is that
- > it can have graphics, sounds, automatic indexing, text effects, and can
- > receive messages from applications for context sensitive online help. It
- > also permanently resides in RAM (40K at the most) and only keeps the
- > [...]
-
- ST-Guide sounds very interesting, I will definitely check it out.
- Maybe we should vote on ST-Guide as an 'official' help system?
-
- --Dan Hollis
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